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	<title>Comments on: Has Elvis Left the Building?</title>
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	<description>David Lee King is the Digital Branch &#38; Services Manager at the Topeka &#38; Shawnee County Public Library, where he plans, implements, and experiments with emerging technology trends. He has spoken in the U.S. and Canada about emerging trends, website usability and management, digital experience planning, and managing techie staff, and has been published in many library-related journals. David writes the Internet Spotlight column in Public Libraries Magazine with Michael Porter. David maintains a blog at http://www.davidleeking.com</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.davidleeking.com/2008/01/24/has-elvis-left-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-23563</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,&lt;br&gt;I have noticed that my post has been interpreted at an admission that L2 is a failure.  That&#039;s not at all what I meant to suggest, and I think you articulate that very well.  I don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; I ever said that Library 2.0 &quot;didn&#039;t work out&quot; as Jeff Scott claims. On the contrary--it&#039;s infused the profession with just the sort of agitation it needs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are probably more factors that go into the success and failure of a particular social networking endeavor that we can possibly understand at this point and, as Meredith points out, it&#039;s not always a lack of marketing impetus.  But the fact that we don&#039;t understand what imbues a 2.0 initiative with success only tells me that we have more to learn.  And we can only learn by doing and sharing, openly, our successes and failures.  A fundamental charge of the Library 2.0 discourse is for libraries and librarians to understand the relationship our users have with information so that we can help them along in their endeavors.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Like you said, David, we are dealing with people, but we are dealing with technology as well, it&#039;s just that the human connection is the technology&#039;s payload.  Library reference had traditionally been about the vehicle and the destination (the book and the fact), now we&#039;re seeing more people come in to the library in search of the vehicle, the journey, and fellow travelers--they&#039;re not overly concerned with where they&#039;re going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,<br />I have noticed that my post has been interpreted at an admission that L2 is a failure.  That&#39;s not at all what I meant to suggest, and I think you articulate that very well.  I don&#39;t <i>think</i> I ever said that Library 2.0 &#8220;didn&#39;t work out&#8221; as Jeff Scott claims. On the contrary&#8211;it&#39;s infused the profession with just the sort of agitation it needs.</p>
<p>There are probably more factors that go into the success and failure of a particular social networking endeavor that we can possibly understand at this point and, as Meredith points out, it&#39;s not always a lack of marketing impetus.  But the fact that we don&#39;t understand what imbues a 2.0 initiative with success only tells me that we have more to learn.  And we can only learn by doing and sharing, openly, our successes and failures.  A fundamental charge of the Library 2.0 discourse is for libraries and librarians to understand the relationship our users have with information so that we can help them along in their endeavors.</p>
<p>Like you said, David, we are dealing with people, but we are dealing with technology as well, it&#39;s just that the human connection is the technology&#39;s payload.  Library reference had traditionally been about the vehicle and the destination (the book and the fact), now we&#39;re seeing more people come in to the library in search of the vehicle, the journey, and fellow travelers&#8211;they&#39;re not overly concerned with where they&#39;re going.</p>
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		<title>By: Opittujen asioiden soveltaminen &#171; Sorvipenkin äärellä</title>
		<link>http://www.davidleeking.com/2008/01/24/has-elvis-left-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-19154</link>
		<dc:creator>Opittujen asioiden soveltaminen &#171; Sorvipenkin äärellä</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Voiko jonkin työkalun hyödyllisyyttä tietää varmasti kokeilematta? David Lee King (Has Elvis Left the Building?) pitää puolustuspuheen sille, että verkossa saa kokeilla ja epäonnistua. Näin saa kokemuksia, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Voiko jonkin työkalun hyödyllisyyttä tietää varmasti kokeilematta? David Lee King (Has Elvis Left the Building?) pitää puolustuspuheen sille, että verkossa saa kokeilla ja epäonnistua. Näin saa kokemuksia, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The OPLIN 4cast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 4Cast #87: Library 2.0, LTR, Social Media, Gaming</title>
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		<dc:creator>The OPLIN 4cast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 4Cast #87: Library 2.0, LTR, Social Media, Gaming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Has Elvis Left the Building? (David Lee King) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Thing #10: Thinking About Technology &#171; Eleanor&#8217;s 23 Things</title>
		<link>http://www.davidleeking.com/2008/01/24/has-elvis-left-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-18519</link>
		<dc:creator>Thing #10: Thinking About Technology &#171; Eleanor&#8217;s 23 Things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with them online.  &#8220;How bizarre!&#8221; I thought.  Then I read the following in a post David Lee King wrote about how 2.0 isn&#8217;t dead, contrary to one writer&#8217;s belief: When you start hanging out in a new social circle, what’s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with them online.  &#8220;How bizarre!&#8221; I thought.  Then I read the following in a post David Lee King wrote about how 2.0 isn&#8217;t dead, contrary to one writer&#8217;s belief: When you start hanging out in a new social circle, what’s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AnnaLaura Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.davidleeking.com/2008/01/24/has-elvis-left-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-18263</link>
		<dc:creator>AnnaLaura Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what a great post. This hits the issues with library  2.0 right on the head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a great post. This hits the issues with library  2.0 right on the head.</p>
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		<title>By: AnnaLaura Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.davidleeking.com/2008/01/24/has-elvis-left-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-26128</link>
		<dc:creator>AnnaLaura Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what a great post. This hits the issues with library  2.0 right on the head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a great post. This hits the issues with library  2.0 right on the head.</p>
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		<title>By: And what about all this Library 2.0 “stuff”…? &#171; The FISH Bits</title>
		<link>http://www.davidleeking.com/2008/01/24/has-elvis-left-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-16526</link>
		<dc:creator>And what about all this Library 2.0 “stuff”…? &#171; The FISH Bits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] another good post from David Lee King: Has Elvis Left the Building?  David points out that if we haven’t gotten out from behind the reference desk, or we have [...]</description>
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		<title>By: And what about all this Library 2.0 &#8220;stuff&#8221;&#8230;? &#171; The FISH Bits</title>
		<link>http://www.davidleeking.com/2008/01/24/has-elvis-left-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-16525</link>
		<dc:creator>And what about all this Library 2.0 &#8220;stuff&#8221;&#8230;? &#171; The FISH Bits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] another good post from David Lee King: Has Elvis Left the Building?  David points out that if we haven&#8217;t gotten out from behind the reference desk, or we have [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] another good post from David Lee King: Has Elvis Left the Building?  David points out that if we haven&#8217;t gotten out from behind the reference desk, or we have [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scottie</title>
		<link>http://www.davidleeking.com/2008/01/24/has-elvis-left-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-16487</link>
		<dc:creator>Scottie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some &quot;social initiatives&quot; are gimmicky fluff, unfortunately.  While you still have to try some things and get out of your comfort zone, I think you also have to have not just end results in mind, but you have to think through the process.

How will this work?  is easy enough to determine.

What will make people want to do this?  is much more abstract. 

Social tagging is a concept that&#039;s not intuitive for the average user.  Teens, sure. But teens are out tagging content on social networks, not coming to the library to go through the catalog and tag things. 

The hard part soemtimes is knowing when to stick with it and when to move on and try something else. 

I&#039;d guess you didn&#039;t stick with this blog for 4 years specifically hoping for measurable results- you did it because you enjoy it and feel compelled to share info with the rest of the community.  It works because it&#039;s nurtured and has time devoted to it, etc.

Many people install social networking applications and - without marketing them or doing much more than posting a notice in the &quot;news&quot; section- expect patrons to start using them.  What reason do we give patrons to use something like tagging?

If we&#039;ve built a community of discussions and threads and interactions where people want to do more to develop the content, that&#039;s when tagging can work.  But we seem to be putting the cart before the horse in a lot of instances. 

[quote]For me, a no-brainer library 2.0 activity would be to agressively market library databases outside the library walls, in the community - the whole targeted thing. That would be a very new, unusual, L2.0-ish thing for many libraries.[/quote]

I am 100% with you here!  I&#039;m amazed that even people who work in our libraries aren&#039;t aware of the resources we offer. 

But we can&#039;t just send the message &quot;We have databases.&quot;  For the average patron, that means nothing.

I&#039;m thinking of a series of articles (promoted to the local media) that each focus on a different database, what&#039;s contained in it and how it can be used. 

I just have to convince my PR department to get on board... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some &#8220;social initiatives&#8221; are gimmicky fluff, unfortunately.  While you still have to try some things and get out of your comfort zone, I think you also have to have not just end results in mind, but you have to think through the process.</p>
<p>How will this work?  is easy enough to determine.</p>
<p>What will make people want to do this?  is much more abstract. </p>
<p>Social tagging is a concept that&#8217;s not intuitive for the average user.  Teens, sure. But teens are out tagging content on social networks, not coming to the library to go through the catalog and tag things. </p>
<p>The hard part soemtimes is knowing when to stick with it and when to move on and try something else. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d guess you didn&#8217;t stick with this blog for 4 years specifically hoping for measurable results- you did it because you enjoy it and feel compelled to share info with the rest of the community.  It works because it&#8217;s nurtured and has time devoted to it, etc.</p>
<p>Many people install social networking applications and &#8211; without marketing them or doing much more than posting a notice in the &#8220;news&#8221; section- expect patrons to start using them.  What reason do we give patrons to use something like tagging?</p>
<p>If we&#8217;ve built a community of discussions and threads and interactions where people want to do more to develop the content, that&#8217;s when tagging can work.  But we seem to be putting the cart before the horse in a lot of instances. </p>
<p>[quote]For me, a no-brainer library 2.0 activity would be to agressively market library databases outside the library walls, in the community &#8211; the whole targeted thing. That would be a very new, unusual, L2.0-ish thing for many libraries.[/quote]</p>
<p>I am 100% with you here!  I&#8217;m amazed that even people who work in our libraries aren&#8217;t aware of the resources we offer. </p>
<p>But we can&#8217;t just send the message &#8220;We have databases.&#8221;  For the average patron, that means nothing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking of a series of articles (promoted to the local media) that each focus on a different database, what&#8217;s contained in it and how it can be used. </p>
<p>I just have to convince my PR department to get on board&#8230; <img src='http://www.davidleeking.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Scottie</title>
		<link>http://www.davidleeking.com/2008/01/24/has-elvis-left-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-26127</link>
		<dc:creator>Scottie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some &quot;social initiatives&quot; are gimmicky fluff, unfortunately.  While you still have to try some things and get out of your comfort zone, I think you also have to have not just end results in mind, but you have to think through the process.

How will this work?  is easy enough to determine.

What will make people want to do this?  is much more abstract. 

Social tagging is a concept that&#039;s not intuitive for the average user.  Teens, sure. But teens are out tagging content on social networks, not coming to the library to go through the catalog and tag things. 

The hard part soemtimes is knowing when to stick with it and when to move on and try something else. 

I&#039;d guess you didn&#039;t stick with this blog for 4 years specifically hoping for measurable results- you did it because you enjoy it and feel compelled to share info with the rest of the community.  It works because it&#039;s nurtured and has time devoted to it, etc.

Many people install social networking applications and - without marketing them or doing much more than posting a notice in the &quot;news&quot; section- expect patrons to start using them.  What reason do we give patrons to use something like tagging?

If we&#039;ve built a community of discussions and threads and interactions where people want to do more to develop the content, that&#039;s when tagging can work.  But we seem to be putting the cart before the horse in a lot of instances. 

[quote]For me, a no-brainer library 2.0 activity would be to agressively market library databases outside the library walls, in the community - the whole targeted thing. That would be a very new, unusual, L2.0-ish thing for many libraries.[/quote]

I am 100% with you here!  I&#039;m amazed that even people who work in our libraries aren&#039;t aware of the resources we offer. 

But we can&#039;t just send the message &quot;We have databases.&quot;  For the average patron, that means nothing.

I&#039;m thinking of a series of articles (promoted to the local media) that each focus on a different database, what&#039;s contained in it and how it can be used. 

I just have to convince my PR department to get on board... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some &#8220;social initiatives&#8221; are gimmicky fluff, unfortunately.  While you still have to try some things and get out of your comfort zone, I think you also have to have not just end results in mind, but you have to think through the process.</p>
<p>How will this work?  is easy enough to determine.</p>
<p>What will make people want to do this?  is much more abstract. </p>
<p>Social tagging is a concept that&#8217;s not intuitive for the average user.  Teens, sure. But teens are out tagging content on social networks, not coming to the library to go through the catalog and tag things. </p>
<p>The hard part soemtimes is knowing when to stick with it and when to move on and try something else. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d guess you didn&#8217;t stick with this blog for 4 years specifically hoping for measurable results- you did it because you enjoy it and feel compelled to share info with the rest of the community.  It works because it&#8217;s nurtured and has time devoted to it, etc.</p>
<p>Many people install social networking applications and &#8211; without marketing them or doing much more than posting a notice in the &#8220;news&#8221; section- expect patrons to start using them.  What reason do we give patrons to use something like tagging?</p>
<p>If we&#8217;ve built a community of discussions and threads and interactions where people want to do more to develop the content, that&#8217;s when tagging can work.  But we seem to be putting the cart before the horse in a lot of instances. </p>
<p>[quote]For me, a no-brainer library 2.0 activity would be to agressively market library databases outside the library walls, in the community &#8211; the whole targeted thing. That would be a very new, unusual, L2.0-ish thing for many libraries.[/quote]</p>
<p>I am 100% with you here!  I&#8217;m amazed that even people who work in our libraries aren&#8217;t aware of the resources we offer. </p>
<p>But we can&#8217;t just send the message &#8220;We have databases.&#8221;  For the average patron, that means nothing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking of a series of articles (promoted to the local media) that each focus on a different database, what&#8217;s contained in it and how it can be used. </p>
<p>I just have to convince my PR department to get on board&#8230; <img src='http://www.davidleeking.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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